Could the Knicks Acquire Kenyon Martin?

On the day after justice was served on a much bigger scale, we now must move on and talk about justice in a different sense.  After a rather mediocre 2010-2011 campaign, the Knicks must go back to the drawing board and make up for this lackluster season.  Quite frankly, the fans deserved better than this after two years of tanking and a decade of losing.  In a perfect world, the Knicks would get Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol, Deron Williams, and every free agent their hearts desired.  Unfortunately, you can’t re-build the Olympics team in the NBA.  So the Knicks must pick and choose.  One option according to LoHud is Kenyon Martin.

Often lost amidst the incessant talk of Dwight Howard this, and Chris Paul that, is the fact that the Knicks’ most glaring need this off-season is for players that come cheaply, understand their respective roles, and complement the existing roster.

And there isn’t much doubt that the player attribute that should be most sought after by GM Donnie Walsh is toughness.

A presence on the defensive end, a respected veteran that can that can hit a big basket when necessary. Someone who is entirely comfortable being just a piece of the puzzle at this stage of their career.

So might one of those pieces be Carmelo Anthony’s former teammate, and unrestricted free agent, Kenyon Martin?

It’s not so far fetched, if you believe what Martin told the Denver Post a few days ago:

“At this point in my career, I think winning and being part of a winning team is more important than starting,” Martin said.

Sure, Martin is no longer anywhere near the player he once was — and an argument can be made that he has always been overrated and under productive given his talent level (surprisingly just 13.5 PPG and 7.2 RPG for his career), but for 20-25 minutes a night, the Knicks could probably do worse.

Yes, he’s injury prone, and yes, he was something of a bad apple earlier in his career, but Martin does bring elements of intensity and “not in my house-ed-ness” to the table that the Knicks could use. And although Martin’s never been mistaken for an all-world defender, he’s better than any other Knick “big,” he’s is an above average passer, and he shot over 50% from the floor last season in Denver.

Much like how Bill Walker sometimes provided the 2010-11 team with an infusion of attitude, perhaps Martin can do the same.

Martin has ties to area — having been drafted by New Jersey 11 season ago — and he’s never been bashful about shooting, a quality that fits right in with Mike D’Antoni’s coaching philosophy. As a bench player capable of scoring when Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo are getting a breather or find themselves in foul trouble, why not?

Plus, he has lots and lots of tattoos.

If he’s willing to play for peanuts, and he truly just wants to be part of a winner — along with some like minded other players — Martin just might make some sense.

If Martin would take a one-year deal, I’d sign him in a heartbeat.  He not only would be a very useful player, but he would be a valuable trade piece in a possible deadline deal for CP3 or Dwight Howard.  Having watched Kenyon since his Nets days, I know what he’s capable of.  Obviously a lot has changed since then, but I think Mike D’Antoni could find a role for him on this team.

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Do the Knicks want Chandler back?

The Knicks would have to get lucky, but one of their targets this summer is to bring Wilson Chandler back into the fold, The Post has learned.

Chandler, who was dispatched to Denver in the Carmelo Anthony trade, will be a restricted free agent, and a source said he would love to return to the Knicks. And the Knicks would love to have him back, as coach Mike D’Antoni believes he’s the perfect versatile fit for his system who does so many things, including rebound. Chandler’s Nuggets trail Oklahoma City 3-1 in the first round.

Chandler’s new agent is Happy Walters, who also represents Amar’e Stoudemire and Knicks surprise reserve standout Shawne Williams, also a free agent whom the Knicks would like to bring back.

The question is how to get Chandler back. A sign-and-trade with Denver is possible, since the Nuggets once liked rookie Landry Fields, who had a terrible playoffs. Fields did not feel comfortable playing with Anthony, but he thrived with the Nuggets’ Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton and Timofey Mozgov.

The Knicks also could go under the salary cap if they decide to buy out Chauncey Billups by Friday. If they bring Billups back, the Knicks could also sign Chandler to the mid-level exception on a long-term deal, if Chandler is willing to take less money to play in New York. The sense is he’s not thrilled with the Rocky Mountains and was despondent in his final weeks as a Knick with rumors he was bound for Denver.

The Knicks also have a decision to make with Billy Walker, who has a team option of $916,000. They likely will let Shelden Williams, Jared Jeffries and Roger Mason walk.

Point guard Anthony Carter is a free agent and intrigued the coaching staff. They could buy out Renaldo Balkman’s final two years. The oft-injured Ronny Turiaf has a player option of $4.3 million that he’s likely to exercise, but the Knicks also could buy him out. Rookie point guard Andy Rautins also may be released to open a roster spot.

I would support this in a heartbeat.  Chandler is a perfect role player who can play multiple positions.  I’d love to see him back.  I really wouldn’t want to give up Fields though.  If it comes down to it, it would be tough to part with him.

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Arguing With Idiots X: Idiocy Has Taken Over

Welcome to the return of Arguing With Idiots.  For past editions, click here.

I have heard nothing but verbal diarrhea over the last few days.  The Knicks and Nets each land one of the biggest names in the league, yet no one seems to be happy.  Instead of being happy about landing Carmelo, Knick fans have been irritated at losing players such as Timofey Mozgov.  Instead of being thrilled about landing Deron Williams, I have yet to hear one Net fan say anything positive about the trade.  Well, I haven’t talked to many Net fans since they barely exist, but that’s beyond the point.

Let’s start with Melo.

The Knicks easily could have gotten Melo in the offseason.  WHY GIVE UP YOUR WHOLE TEAM FOR AN EXTRA TWO MONTHS OF MELO!!!!!!!!!111

Calm down, no need to yell.  Melo would have likely went to the Nets if he didn’t get traded to the Knicks. He would have risked losing a lot of money by not signing an extension before the new CBA.  Also, there is no guarantee the Knicks would have been able to sign him in July.  A franchise tag in the new CBA could have stopped it.  Even if the Knicks would have signed him in the offseason, Melo would have likely demanded a sign-and-trade, making the Knicks give up a draft pick or two anyway.


You wouldn’t have known who Mozgov was if D’Antoni didn’t put him in the rotation in the last few weeks.  The Knicks have actually played better without him.  There won’t be a problem replacing his 4 PPG and 2 RPG.

Gallo and Chandler are huge losses.

That they are.  But sometimes you have to give something up to get something.  In this case, the reward was too big to turn down.

Gallinari plays the same position as Melo, so he would have just been a 6th man.  Chandler was a valuable piece, but he was an RFA at the end of the season.  Holding on to him could have complicated the Knicks’ cap situation in the upcoming years.

Billups is a downgrade from Raymond Felton.

Maybe, but Felton was never the long-term plan at the point.  Billups is a a solid veteran who can shoot the ball and mentor other players.  He may be able to turn Toney Douglas into a great point guard.  I still think Chauncey is the best player in the trade behind Carmelo.

Onto Deron.

Deron Williams isn’t as good as Chris Paul.

Arguable, but who cares?  Deron is still an elite point guard who is definitely top-five in the league.  Williams, being a superstar, can also attract big names like Dwight Howard to New Jersey/Brooklyn in future seasons.

Why would you give up Favors?

Favors could have taken years to figure out.  Developing him into the next star PF would have taken a lot of time with no guarentee for success.  The Nets can find a franchise power forward soon, I am confident of it.

Two first rounders is too much.

It could be, but would either of those picks turn out to be as good as Deron?  The Nets clearly got the best player in this deal.  This is a superstar’s league.  If you don’t have at least one, you aren’t going anywhere.  The Nets needed one, and they got one.

There’s no guarantee he will re-sign in 2012 when his deal is up.

He is eligible to re-sign in July of this year, and I think he will.  It would be smart of him to get a contract extension before the new CBA.  What other places will have the cap flexibility and marketing opportunities that the Brooklyn Nets will have in 2012?  He could go to the Knicks, but I think they will set their sights on CP3.

In the end, both the Melo and Williams deals were great for the Knicks and Nets.  The Melo deal finally brought true Knicks basketball back to New York City.  The Deron deal helped the Nets acquire the star they’ve been longing for since their glory days.

Seventh Heaven

In an earlier post I said that I believe the Knicks would be making a huge mistake if they traded away all of their young talent for Carmelo Anthony.  After this trade, I’m not so sure I still agree with that.  I can’t tell you right now, without watching a game yet, if this trade improved the Knicks for right now but I do believe it will help them in the future.  After seeing how long this process was dragging on, I don’t think that Anthony would have signed a deal with us in free agency this summer.  I do think that he wanted to play in New York but I don’t think he wanted to leave all that money on the table.  For this reason, I think that this was a trade that had to be done for the Knicks.

What did they trade away?:  Wilson Chandler-  If the Knicks were able to get Anthony in free agency this summer chances are they wouldn’t have been able to re-sign Chandler anyway.

Gallinari-  He was a fan favorite and a good shooter but he plays the same position as Melo.  I don’t know about the reader but I see this as an upgrade.

Raymond Felton- This is the only place where I don’t really see an upgrade, it’s more of a wash.  We get Chauncey Billups, a proven winner and clutch player.  I thought Felton was perfect for D’Antoni’s offense.  He’s a player who’s able to push the ball in transition and take it to the rim or pull up and take a jump shot.  I don’t think Billups will be able to run the floor as fast but he is a better shooter.

Timofey Mozgov- A player who has looked like he had some potential but he was the key to this deal, I think he was expendable.

2014 First-Round draft pick- They were hoping to be winners by then anyway so chances are that wasn’t going to be a lottery pick anyway.

The Knicks now have two NBA “superstars”.  You can’t win in the NBA today without having at least two stars.  Both Amar’e and Melo are prolific scorers who, in order to be successful, need to have the ball in their hands.  My biggest question is will the two of them be able to adjust to playing with eachother?  I think they can.

The Knicks have put themselves in a position to win, not right now but definitely in the next couple of years.  Landry Fields looks as though he has very good potential in the league.  This team could end up with a “big three”.  After next season Chris Paul and Deron Williams are both free agents.  A great point guard would be the key to this team winning a championship, so they can’t sign Williams (you need at least one player on your team to play defense).  Imagine a starting lineup that includes Amar’e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, Landry Fields, and Chris Paul.  I definitely think within two years that team be be considered an elite team in the East.  That team might be able to bring the fans back to the 90s when the Knicks were making deep playoff runs every year.  They could even take the Garden faithful back tothe 70s and bring a championship back to New York.

Melo Was Going to be a Net

According to Real GM, Carmelo thought he was headed to New Jersey. According to the report, Mozgov truly could have been a dealbreaker.  The Nets are also looking to trade for disgruntled PG Aaron Brooks, according to the same site.

According to multiple reports, Melo will wear #7 with the Knicks.


According to the Denver Post, Carmelo Anthony is about to become a Knick.  This is a huge moment not only in Knicks history, but in the history of the NBA as well.  This trade would almost guarantee a new big three in New York, setting the Knicks up as perennial contenders.  By adding Chris Paul or Deron Williams in 2012, this team can become championship contenders.  For now, they will be pretty damn good.  Who knows, this team right now may be able to win a playoff series or two.  For now, Knick fans can sit back and enjoy their new superstar.

Congratulations to the Knicks franchise and their dedicated fanbase.

Update: Frank Isola has just confirmed the deal.


Knicks receive:

Carmelo Anthony, Chauncy Billups, Sheldon Williams, Anthony Carter, Renaldo Balkman, Corey Brewer

Nuggets receive:

Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Timberwolves receive:

Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry.

Stat and Melo