Arguing With Idiots X: Idiocy Has Taken Over

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I have heard nothing but verbal diarrhea over the last few days.  The Knicks and Nets each land one of the biggest names in the league, yet no one seems to be happy.  Instead of being happy about landing Carmelo, Knick fans have been irritated at losing players such as Timofey Mozgov.  Instead of being thrilled about landing Deron Williams, I have yet to hear one Net fan say anything positive about the trade.  Well, I haven’t talked to many Net fans since they barely exist, but that’s beyond the point.

Let’s start with Melo.

The Knicks easily could have gotten Melo in the offseason.  WHY GIVE UP YOUR WHOLE TEAM FOR AN EXTRA TWO MONTHS OF MELO!!!!!!!!!111

Calm down, no need to yell.  Melo would have likely went to the Nets if he didn’t get traded to the Knicks. He would have risked losing a lot of money by not signing an extension before the new CBA.  Also, there is no guarantee the Knicks would have been able to sign him in July.  A franchise tag in the new CBA could have stopped it.  Even if the Knicks would have signed him in the offseason, Melo would have likely demanded a sign-and-trade, making the Knicks give up a draft pick or two anyway.


You wouldn’t have known who Mozgov was if D’Antoni didn’t put him in the rotation in the last few weeks.  The Knicks have actually played better without him.  There won’t be a problem replacing his 4 PPG and 2 RPG.

Gallo and Chandler are huge losses.

That they are.  But sometimes you have to give something up to get something.  In this case, the reward was too big to turn down.

Gallinari plays the same position as Melo, so he would have just been a 6th man.  Chandler was a valuable piece, but he was an RFA at the end of the season.  Holding on to him could have complicated the Knicks’ cap situation in the upcoming years.

Billups is a downgrade from Raymond Felton.

Maybe, but Felton was never the long-term plan at the point.  Billups is a a solid veteran who can shoot the ball and mentor other players.  He may be able to turn Toney Douglas into a great point guard.  I still think Chauncey is the best player in the trade behind Carmelo.

Onto Deron.

Deron Williams isn’t as good as Chris Paul.

Arguable, but who cares?  Deron is still an elite point guard who is definitely top-five in the league.  Williams, being a superstar, can also attract big names like Dwight Howard to New Jersey/Brooklyn in future seasons.

Why would you give up Favors?

Favors could have taken years to figure out.  Developing him into the next star PF would have taken a lot of time with no guarentee for success.  The Nets can find a franchise power forward soon, I am confident of it.

Two first rounders is too much.

It could be, but would either of those picks turn out to be as good as Deron?  The Nets clearly got the best player in this deal.  This is a superstar’s league.  If you don’t have at least one, you aren’t going anywhere.  The Nets needed one, and they got one.

There’s no guarantee he will re-sign in 2012 when his deal is up.

He is eligible to re-sign in July of this year, and I think he will.  It would be smart of him to get a contract extension before the new CBA.  What other places will have the cap flexibility and marketing opportunities that the Brooklyn Nets will have in 2012?  He could go to the Knicks, but I think they will set their sights on CP3.

In the end, both the Melo and Williams deals were great for the Knicks and Nets.  The Melo deal finally brought true Knicks basketball back to New York City.  The Deron deal helped the Nets acquire the star they’ve been longing for since their glory days.


Nets Nearing Deal for Felton and Mozgov

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports is reporting that the Nets, Mavericks, and Nuggets are discussing a potential trade. The Nets would send Devin Harris to Dallas. Harris played for Dallas from 2004 to 2008.  Raymond Felton and Timofey Mozgov, who both were traded to the Nuggets from the Knicks earlier tonight, would land in New Jersey.

Update 7:09AM:

ESPN’s Chris Broussard tweets that the Nets are unlikely to acquire any former Knicks players in a trade with Denver.

Stay tuned to New York Sports Today as more details emerge!


According to the Denver Post, Carmelo Anthony is about to become a Knick.  This is a huge moment not only in Knicks history, but in the history of the NBA as well.  This trade would almost guarantee a new big three in New York, setting the Knicks up as perennial contenders.  By adding Chris Paul or Deron Williams in 2012, this team can become championship contenders.  For now, they will be pretty damn good.  Who knows, this team right now may be able to win a playoff series or two.  For now, Knick fans can sit back and enjoy their new superstar.

Congratulations to the Knicks franchise and their dedicated fanbase.

Update: Frank Isola has just confirmed the deal.


Knicks receive:

Carmelo Anthony, Chauncy Billups, Sheldon Williams, Anthony Carter, Renaldo Balkman, Corey Brewer

Nuggets receive:

Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Timberwolves receive:

Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry.

Melo Watch: 2/21/11

We’re three days away from the trading deadline, and Carmelo Anthony is still a Nugget.  With Denver in action Tuesday night, we could see a deal get done today.

-The New York Post is reporting that Carmelo Anthony will inform the Nets today whether or not he will accept an extension with the Nets. The Nets and Nuggets are said to have a trade in place, the only roadblock is Melo’s willingness to sign an extension with New Jersey.

– Carmelo met with Mikhail Prokhorov Saturday night. Prokhorov called it a “fantastic” meeting, and even went on to call it a good tactical decision to force the Knicks to give up more for Melo.

– Deron Williams has denied the rumors of him wanting to play in New York.

– According to Real GM, David Stern didn’t want an announcement Sunday.

– The Knicks seem to not want to go any further with talks.  They have made their final offer.  However, the Nuggets want Timofey Mozgov included in the deal.

Chris Broussard reports that the Nets would be interested in a separate trade with Denver for some Knicks players they would acquire in the Melo deal.

– Some sources are saying the Nets have thrown in the towel, while others are saying the exact opposite.  It’s hard to tell what to believe right now.

Melo Watch: 2/20/11

As new stories develop on Melo or the trading deadline in general, they will be posted here.

– According to multiple sources, Mikhail Prokhorov met with Carmelo last night.  Melo didn’t commit to anything at the meeting, and the Nets didn’t seem thrilled at how the meeting went.

– Many sources are also reporting that Deron Williams wants to join the Knicks in 2012.  With Chris Paul also a free agent, the Knicks would have to pick one of the two.  It’s certainly a great problem to have.

– The rumor going around is that the Nuggets want Timofey Mozgov or another draft pick.  The Knicks are hesitant to add Mozgov.  Shelden Williams and Renaldo Balkman would come back to the Knicks to make the trade work.

Real GM says the Knicks would get back Anthony Carter, not Williams and Balkman.

– The Knicks said they have made their final offer and that it is now up to the Nuggets to pull the trigger on a deal.  Smart move by Dolan and Isiah.  Yeah, I just complemented Isiah Thomas and Jim Dolan.

– According to Alan Hahn, Mozgov is a deal breaker for New York. He is the difference between Melo being traded to the Knicks or to the Nets.

– Chris Broussard says no ultimatum has been given to the Knicks by Denver. So no Mozgov may not necessarily mean a trade to the Nets.

Carmelo Trade Off?

It isn’t over until it’s over.  Carmelo may not be heading to the Nets after all.  After almost no progress yesterday, a four-team trade that would send Carmelo to the Nets may not happen.  Now here is the interesting part.  Carmelo may now be lobbying for a trade to the Knicks.  Yes, the Knicks.  What a turn of events in the past 24 hours.

Real GM confirms these rumors, saying that Melo to the Knicks is definitely a possibility.  On the other hand, Steve Kyler posted the following on Twitter, “Sources speculated that Melo simply wants to be a Free Agent in 2011 and won’t sign an extension with anyone… No Extension No Trade.”  I highly doubt this to be true, but it is certainly a possibility.  I doubt Carmelo will have an hour long show where he decides where to take his talents to, but I do understand why he would want to keep his options open.

If this trade does indeed fall through, this is a huge blow to the Nets franchise.  This may have been their only chance to obtain a franchise player.  The Nets now have to hope that Derrick Favors becomes the next great power forward in this league.  Even if he does, the Nets will never have the firepower to compete in the Eastern Conference.  How are the Nets supposed to get past the Bulls, the Heat, and the Knicks if they sign Carmelo?  I also truly believe that Chris Paul will follow Carmelo and go to either New York or New Jersey. 

On the other hand, this is a huge opportunity for the Knicks.  If they have a chance to get Carmelo, you have to be willing to trade everyone on your team except Amar’e Stoudemire to get him.  A core of Carmelo and Amar’e can compete with the Heat and Lakers if you get a premier point guard.  Even if you miss out on Chris Paul, Tony Parker isn’t a bad fall back option.  If Anthony Randolph can develop into a star like people think he can, he is another piece to the puzzle.  There is also the possibility that Timofey Mozgov becomes an elite center in this league.  Wouldn’t that be something?

In the end, this is a great day for Knicks fans and a terrible day for Nets fans.  This is a potential turning point in each franchise’s history.  Carmelo could make or break the next five years for either franchise.

Don't count out the Knicks.

Knicks Likely to Acquire Carmelo as a Free Agent?

According to RealGM, the Knicks are still more likely to acquire Carmelo Anthony as a free agent this summer.  At this point, the Knicks should hope Melo hits the free agency market rather than being traded to a contender such as Chicago.  If Melo hits the open market, I truly believe he will be a Knick.

Acquiring Carmelo wouldn’t exactly make the Knicks championship contenders.  They’d still have to find an elite point guard in Chris Paul or Tony Parker.  The development of young potential starts such as Anthony Randolph, Danilo Gallinari, and Timofey Mozgov.

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